Not that we're fighting terrorists in Iraq, we are fighting an insurgency, although Donald Rumsfeld would prefer you not call it that. And you can bet that when we go in to Iran and Syria, that, too will be called a war on terror. By the President and the corporate media.
Bush doesn't seem too interested in finding Osama either, stating on March 11, 2002, six months after 9/11, "I don't know where Osama is, I don't know and I don't care. He's not that important."
Osama never took credit for 9/11, instead blaming it on Israel and a secret government inside the US government. By that he meant the PNAC, whose stated goal is creating a Greater Israel. This group was inside the Pentagon and were the only persons with the ability to give the Air Force the stand down order that allowed the hijacked airliners to penetrate US airpace and slam into the WTC and Pentagon. This thread leads through the AIPAC spy scandal and Larry Franklin at the Pentagon OSP, who not only passed on sensitive secrets to Israel, but also passed along "fixed" intelligence the WHIG used to justify the invasion of Iraq. Which also leads to jack Abramhoff,now under investigation, who hosted (according to witnesses) Mohammed Atta on one of his casino boats prior to 9/11.
Now I know that some of you might be saying, "I saw the video of Osama watching a tape of the 9/11 attacks and laughing." This tape turned up nearly seven months following Osama's death, with an Osama look alike. Here is a still picture from that video.
On closer examination, you see that it is not Osama at all, the cheeks are too full. And Osama, usually pictured in and around caves, is now staying somewhere with walls similar to the ones in my apartment. Who would gain from such deception?
Recently, the Senate voted to extend the Patriot Act for six months, against the wishes of the Bush administration, who look to make the powers granted by this act permanent. Bush, who has called the constitution a "god damned piece of paper", has stated that" this would be a heck of a lot easier if this were a dictatorship...as long as I'm the dictator" and has authorized warrantless spying on Americans, all in the name of the war on terror. Oops, I mean the Global Struggle Advocating Violent Extremism...er, better make that Against Violent Extremism. And as long as he and corporate fascist media buddies brainwash Americans to think that Osama and his ilk are still lurking about ready to kill our women and children, the less likely they are to reveal to them that Osama is in fact dead.
Or you could believe that the Islamic world is full of religious zealots who are looking to convert us all to Islam or kill us. And if you believe that, you probably think that someday they'll find Saddam's weapons of mass destruction as well.
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I am not sure where I stand on this (Osama)and 9-11, I am still really trying to formulate my sense of things. I am not saying you are wrong, I am saying that I have not heard enough compelling evidence to really convince me personally. Ditto for 9-11, while I can appreciate the claims and efforts of those with conspiracy theories and who speak to some *serious* contradictory issues (plus the suppression of witness testimony, etc.) I do not have a sense of who knew what, when, who was responsible, and why. While it may be true that the terrorists committed the act (another issue some people debate) there IS evidence that what you say about Atta in particular is true and at the VERY LEAST they are guilty of having let him slip through. I think the realtionship with Atta and others was disgracefully underreported. At the minimum, our government is guilty of not acting on known threats...Probably the scenario is far more sinister than that...I guess I am just not ready to say my government was responsible overtly. I think they should have made it their damned business to find out more with their joke inquiry...
I am not sure if Bin Laden is alive, and respect your case. I guess I am thinking that there would have been more of an outpouring, a response from his followers... something that would have been audible to the global community although I am not sure what I am looking for there...given his situation, perhaps its ridiculous to imply that there should be a reaction. but wouldn;t he be used an inspirational martyr? Ic annot beleive that his followers would not seize on such a significant event as a mechanism by which to catapult their agenda..
I'm just not sure what to think on these matters. Didn't mean to ramble! I take what you write to heart and give it thought,sometimes that thought takes time. Its hard for me to just say I am really on the fence with an issue! I usually have such an extreme opinion!
I do not believe that the US government was directly involved, however, there are people working within the government who do have dual citizenships and therefore dual loyalties. But a servant cannot have two masters. These are people within the Pentagon, the only place a stand down order to stop fighter jets from intercepting the highjacked planes.
When a plane goes even one degree off course, the FAA will try to raise the pilot on the radio and let him know he has left the flight plan filed with them prior to take off. If the pilot cannot be reached,fighter jets from NORAD are then sent up to make visual contact with the plane. Many people point to the Payne Stewart story, his cabin decompressed, everybody on board died, the plane was flying around on auto pilot with dead people, including the flight crew. When the FAA couldn't reach the pilot,US jets were sent up and able to intercept the plane in fifteen minutes, to shoot it down with a missile if it looked like it was going to run out of fuel and crash into a populated area. This is standard operating procedure.
When any of the 9/11 planes went off course even one degree, which is filed with the FAA preflight, efforts to contact the pilot should have ben made. When the planes continued off course, fighter jets should have been scrambled to intercept the plane and if necessary, the plane could be forced to land by the pilots, or barring that, shot down with a missile.Given that the planes flew over the most heavily guarded airspace in the world for close to half an hour unimpeded, someone had to tell fighter jets not to take off, effectively stand down. The only person who could have given that order was someone from the Pentagon, which is where a lot of the people with the dual loyalties are located.
As for Osama being dead, you have to wonder, why does he only pop up when it's convenient for the Bush administration? Like his message of October 2004, timed to come out right before the election? The reason I don't think there are terrorists out there is because they always seem to make attacks when things are going their way. The London 7/7 bombings, for instance. The week before, Parliament had voted to begin withdrawing British troops from Iraq, so why would alQa'da, whose main objective is to drive the infidels from their countries, do something that would reverse that decision? Why was the only one who received advance warning of the bombings the Israeli defense minister?
If Osama had died at the hands of US military forces, perhaps then he could have been used by his followers as an inspirational martyr, however, his kidneys were failing and he needed dialysis, the mountains of Afghanistan is no place to be lugging around a dialysis machine. So Osama died, not with a bang, as many Americans would have wished, but with a whimper.
I agree that Bin Laden is likely dead, but many of the reasons people give are very circumstantial such as the absence of more tapes or his kidney condition. Such things point to a *likelihood* but do not provide a factual basis for asserting that an imposter was on the tape, the mere fact that Bin laden is usually 'in a cave" versus an obvious building is not very factual, he could be in a secret detention center being forced to say things at gunpoint too. The physical building doesn't really convince me of much. Its just another inconsistency but by itself doesn't prove much of anything. Conspriacy theorists in my opinion have to move away from speculation that dilutes their stance and emphasize facts.
When this came up with a friend who insisted the same thing, I asked why they did not simply do a voice analysis of the tapes with a known authentic recording-compare a few samples. Voila!!! Even a nobody like me can do such a basic test, and certainly a group with significant resources can do it with even more accuracy. Basic programs can do this!
I think this is the piece I am waiting for, the answer to why a simple comparison with voice recogition technology isn't being used to answer your question.
The technology of voice recognition is so accurate and sensitive that even our voices can be passwords- my own computer can be protected by voice recogition if I feel like enabling that mode and even when I do digital sound editing, the subtle variances in voice are amazing. You would have to have an imposter bin Laden with not only an uncanny resemblance and mastery of mannerisms and articulation but a near perfect voice replication. Highly unlikely, in my opinion, that all. Possible? Well, a tiny bit possible.But probable?
An imposter or 'stand in" Bin Laden could be discerned using such tools and the matter of who was on the celebratory 9-11 tape could be easily put to bed.
There is a link (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/binladen_audio.html) that does speak to the concern of the voice recognition issue- what was your impression of the debate?
See this is why I have so much trouble wading through the bullshit, because on the one hand they say say tests reveal it to be fake, but its hard to know if the samples used for the composites were real... again I say that I am not diagreeing with the premise and understand your point about it serving Bushco's interests to 'keep him alive' as an immininet menace. I just want to know if he was the man on the tape.
The osama in the video tape is an obvious fake, it's like they put a hat on a guy with a long white beard who had a passing resemblance and voila`-Osama. If you read what Osama said immediately following 9/11, you would see that not only does he name the proable perpetrators, but states the reason that America is seen as the evildoers-the aim is to remove the American presence from the Arab states.
My impression of the audio tape debate? It seems that there is no debate, the scientists talked of a 5% margin of error.So, who are you going to believe-the Swiss, who are neutral, or the US government, known to be fixing intelligence to justify anything they do? (I won't even go into the 'voice cloning' thing as I'm unsure what to make of that)
Good points. The web of lies get so convoluted it can be hard to figure out whats what at least in my opinion.
Certainly the Swiss have no real motivation to lie that I can figure...
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