Wednesday, March 15, 2006

Welcome To The Quagmire

Eleven people, most of them women and children were killed during a US bombing raid north of Baghdad. The raid also netted one insurgent, thereby justifying the carnage in the eyes of the military. We are certainly winning their hearts and minds, yessirreebob!
(thanks to mikevotes for the heads up on these pictures


Granny said...

Those are babies. I don't think I can ever forgive them for the kids.

Lew Scannon said...

Yes,Granny I don't understand how someone could be prolife and support this war.

Jason H. Bowden said...

I guess we should not support the Iraqi security forces, even if that means bloodthirsty jihadists or Hussein loyalists overthrow the democratic government. That'll put an end to the carnage -- we know these insurgents would never systematically exterminate thousands upon thousands of their opponents if given the chance.

Experts: 300,000 in Iraq's Mass Graves

romunov said...

"They hate us for our freedom."

Left of Center said...

I don't give a flying fuck what Iraqi's do to themselves when we leave. But I resent having my tax dollars going to kill children that look to be about the same age as mine. I don't tolerate murder in my name. The "blood thirsty Jihadist" weren't there until we occupied. 300,000 in mass graves? well how about the over 100,000 killed by our war? Let Bush occupy Milosevic's cell in the Hague. Let him be held without charges indefinitey, and water boarded.

Peacechick Mary said...

Last night on the news I heard a commentator say that it's just been very difficult winning the hearts and minds of these people. I just don't know how so many people can be so detached from humanity to even say those things. There are NO Iraq security forces - well maybe a dozen.

Lew Scannon said...

It is not a democratically elected government if voters are kept from the polls, as they were in regions of Iraq. (Just like Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004)
Please don't come here citing Fox News as a source to me, we know they'd never be the propaganda arm for the Bush administration. And I guess you have no problem with our soldiers being put in a position where they have to kill children, or your tax dollars being spent on their murder. You are one compasionate conservative.
This whole mess started because people like you didn't question Bush's claims. Saddam had no links to alQaeda or ties to 9/11. All his WMD were destroyed by 1995, according to an inside source from Hussein's own government.
Like LOC says, I don't care what the Iraqis do to each other when we leave, it certainly can't be any worse than we've done to them already.

pissed off patricia said...

The Iraqi parents won't forgive them for the kids either, granny.


Lew- its horrific and wrong. These are babies, we've come so far, and yet we've learned nothing.

Jason claims he is going to make hippies "retreat" etc. with his "facts". When are the facts going to start, Jason?

Lew Scannon said...

You read his profile too? But I found out yesterday he's into "camp" (and we all know what that means)which explained the profile.

Lew Scannon said...

You read his profile too? But I found out yesterday he's into "camp" (and we all know what that means)which explained the profile.

Lew Scannon said...

Appearantly, someone thought I should say it twice. Stupid computer.

Neil Shakespeare said...

Helluva job, Georgie. Looks like they've kicked off a whole new baby-killing campaign north of Baghdad today. Evidently they didn't get all the babies the first time.

Jason H. Bowden said...

If people left of center don't care about people getting killed, I fail to see the point of this entire thread beyond propaganda purposes.

The left is always telling us that Iraq is like Vietnam, so here's a parallel. After we pulled out of Indochina, the dominos fell and the socialists butchered 2,500,000 souls in Cambodia. The jihadists have the same thing in mind for their political opponents in Iraq. Of course, people left of center "don't care" about a result like this -- unless they can find a way to blame America for it, naturally.

Lew, the number of mass dead in Iraq is real. Loc, your number is off by 70,000. Not that any of you cares. If you all did, you'd be concerned about what would happen if we leave Iraq prematurely.

Lily -- since workers are living happy, comfortable lives in Western countries, people left of center have adopted Islamic religious fundamentalists as their new proletariat. As we gradually pull our forces from Iraq, leaving a democracy in place, you guys will flipflop Kerry style and say you were for getting rid of Hussein and supporting freedom all along.

Aren't you all ashamed of being Democrats?

Lew Scannon said...

Jason, wake up and smell the cornflakes, kiddy, a peaceful withdrawal from Iraq just isn't going to happen. You fell for thold bait and switch. We never went into Iraq to spread democracy, we went in there based on a number of lies that I don't feel need repeating. If the people of Iraq had wanted a democracy, they would have thrown flowers at our soldiers feet when we illegally invaded, not the IED they are using now. What we have now are two rival factions of Islam fighting for the chance to create a theocracy, and no matter who wins, they will surely wipe out the Kurds.
America can't win in Iraq because with every city we conquer, we drive out the resistance and increase the size of the insurgency. We do not have enough troops stationed there to effectively hold the whole country under our control, every area we conquer goes back to the insurgency when we leave. that we're now sending sailors to Iraq to do a soldiers job they weren't trained for speaks volumes about how ill-equipped we were going into this war.
Unfortunately for the Iraqis, too many Americans such as yourself, are brainwashed into thinking there's something wrong with taking personal responsibility for making a mistake, forcing our soldiers to risk their lives and kill Iraqi civilians, including women and children, rather than have this administration admit their incompetence. And what you are saying is that it's better for Americans to kill Iraqis than it is for the Iraqis to fight amongst themselves. Either way, blood will spill, why should it be subsidized by the US taxpayer?

Jason H. Bowden said...

Lew --

Since images of dead people are being shown on your blog, but you and your fellow activists "don't care" about the slaughter that would ensue if we left prematurely, I can only conclude these pictures are used for propaganda purposes, or in your parlance, to brainwash people.

Again, if we pullout prematurely, a LOT of people will get killed. You guys aren't really "anti-war" -- you're just against Iraqis and Americans supporting the pro-freedom side of the war.

Here is what the President said during his speech before we removed Saddam Hussein from power:

"As we enforce the just demands of the world, we will also honor the deepest commitments of our country. Unlike Saddam Hussein, we believe the Iraqi people are deserving and capable of human liberty. And when the dictator has departed, they can set an example to all the Middle East of a vital and peaceful and self-governing nation.

The United States, with other countries, will work to advance liberty and peace in that region. Our goal will not be achieved overnight, but it can come over time. The power and appeal of human liberty is felt in every life and every land. And the greatest power of freedom is to overcome hatred and violence, and turn the creative gifts of men and women to the pursuits of peace." -- President Bush, March 17th 2003."

I'm glad Democrats weren't in charge during the civil war. Democrats were saying the war originally was about union and the criminal Lincoln changed the mission to emancipation -- therefore we should stop and give peace a chance in 1864, about a year before the conflict was finished!

The Iraqis currently control 50% of their own territory, and that number will expand to 75% by the end of summer. Once most of our personnel are back home and the Iraqi government can stand on its own two feet, most of you guys will say you supported this all along.

Ron Nasty said...

"When the dictator is gone, they can set an example to all the Middle east of a vital and peaceful self -governing nation"-Well you cluckhead, the dictator is gone, doesn't look they've got any more vital and peaceful, does it?
"the United States with other nations, will work to advance liberty and peace in the region" liberty, by locking up those who oppose the United States illegal occupation of Iraq? Peace by dropping bombs on civilian populations killing women and children?
No, I will never say I supported this war because it will not end. The numbers you quote are not what I've been reading, I don't know where you got them from, but I can assure you that if you if you didn't get them out of your ass than I guess you heard it from some right wing propaganda news organization trying desparately to prop up the falling approval ratings of their useless dictator. Once we leave, which means no US soldiers stationed there at all, which is hard to believe as we are building permanent bases there right now, which means never, we will be there forever fighting an insurgency and propping another puppet regime designed to insure that the flow of oil profits never stops in to the pockets of Big Oil, not to meet the needs of the Iraqi people, just like the last US puppet we propped up there, Saddam Hussein.
I'm just wondering, wackjob, when is Bush going to actually start fighting the war on terror?

Lew Scannon said...

Ease up there Ronny Boy. You know that Bush can't go after the people behind 9/11, it was an inside job.
Besides Bush is too busy placing himself above the law and violating the Constitution by signing laws that never passed Congress to go after the real culprits.

Troll Watcher said...

78% of troops support immediate withdrawal. I think the guys on the ground have a clearer picture of what's going on in Iraq than some talking head at Fox News or a President who uses the war as a photo op.

Diane S. said...

Wow Lew, You get right wingers on your blog arguing with you! I almost never get those. I'm impressed.

Jason, fact of life: there has been and there is going to be an enormous amount of blood spilled in Iraq. To think we can stop that is naive, simplistic, and has been proven wrong. This is a deeply divided, violent, angry society. We've got forces on the ground now and they're killing each other now.

So the real question is: how many American lives need to be added to the carnage? How many young American patriots need to be scarred for life knowing that they've slaughtered children? And how much money does America need to borrow - thereby mortgaging our children's future - in order to make an ineffectual, ill conceived effort to control the violence? This war has failed Jason. Failed utterly and completely.

And am I really to understand that you would have supported us staying in the War in Viet Nam? Because that just... is insanity. It also explains your chosen icon nicely. You like to play with war toys and have an inflated view of the efficacy of violence as a means of stopping violence.

Lew Scannon said...

yeah, Mr. Bowden followed me over from some other place I'm sure. He says he will make "hippies retreat", then I don't know why he's over here. I don't like Phish or the Dead, I bathe on a daily basis, I don't use drugs or patchouli, and I never flash the peace sign. And I will never change my position on the legality or necessity of this war. Mr. Bowden is your standard issue chickenhawk, supporting a war that he has no interested in fighting. I have more respect for some one who has served in the military(like LOC)than somebody who spend all his free time rock climbing and mountain biking.